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Showing posts with label Nerve Pain. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Nerve Pain. Show all posts

Sunday, December 26, 2021

Nerve Pain: Where Does It Come From?


     This image is of a T1 MRI section across the front of the right foot. Above my sensor marker, there is an obvious Morton's Neuroma that may be the complete cause of this patient's pain. Remember, we need to always ascertain if the pain is mechanical, inflammatory, neuropathic (like Morton's Neuroma), or a combination of these 3 factors. 
     In this foot, the section shows a typical low lying 4th metatarsal head with a very thin fat pad. This allows these plantar nerves on the bottom of the feet to get beat up too easily. The Morton's Neuroma can develop from this constant abuse over years. Why they begin to become symptomatic, when they are fairly large, is anyone's guess? 
     The onset of MRI technology now 35 years ago did teach us an incredible thing: Not all Morton's Neuromas hurt as they were found in patients where they never had nerve symptoms. Therefore, it is important, even in the face of an obvious MRI documented symptomatic Morton's Neuroma, that we make sure that the pain is completely driven by this enlarged nerve.
     The 3 sources of pain: mechanical, inflammatory, and neuropathic, also come the 3 avenues you can treatment patients symptoms: mechanically, anti-inflammatory, and nerve desensitization. So, we begin treatment with mechanical off-weight bearing pads, icing and contrast bathing, and neural flossing or acupuncture, etc. And, we follow these simple treatments with others based on the patient response and subjective feeling on what is helping. 
     Morton's Neuromas, as well as other nerve conditions like Tarsal Tunnel, have the added caveat that the majority of symptoms do not originate in the foot. This implies, and is very true, that treatment alone of foot nerve pain at the foot may not be successful. You typically should include in any Morton's Neuroma workup and treatment getting consults on the low back and spine in general. Think about the concept of Double Crush, where the nerve is only painful when irritated at least in two places, with no symptoms if you remove one of the two areas of irritation. 
     

Monday, August 30, 2021

Academy of Neurologic Physical Therapists

https://www.neuropt.org/

     I am always sending my patients with some sort of nerve pain to seek the advice of a physical therapist specially trained in nerve pain. It took years to find out that these physical therapists had a national organization. Even though I find the website a bit confusing, any physical therapy office in your town may have an associate member. Ask the office if any of their providers are members of ANPT, or at least have a sub speciality in nerves. 
     When dealing with acute or chronic problems, I find that some many patients have a primary or secondary nerve problem. A chronic problem can develop nerve hypersensitivity needing nerve treatments, or an acute injury may be to the nerve primarily. There are easy problems like tarsal tunnel and Morton's neuroma which need nerve attention in treatment, but there are more subtle problems like chronic achilles pain or heel pain that are produced by the local nerve. 
     I always teach that there are 3 sources of any pain issue: mechanical, inflammation, or neuropathic. It is the neuropathic pain that does not respond to as well to mechanical and anti-inflammatory treatments and may need some nerve TLC. 

Wednesday, August 19, 2020

Great Article on Nerve Pain and Making the Diagnosis in Athletes

I have just starting treating a patient with 2 years of pain unable to get anywhere in treatment. She sent me this article this morning that I read from a physical therapist on nerve pain. I would have to say I agree with so much of this article, and although I am not sure yet if it applies totally to my patient, is a good discussion of the 3rd source of pain in my patient. The 3 sources of pain, each demanding separate treatments at times, are: mechanical sources (like your foot pronates too much or your hip muscles are not strong enough), inflammatory (where swelling in the tissues causes pain from injury or systemic causes), and finally nerve pain (which can be local like Morton's neuroma, referred pain from the spine, or combination of local and up-the-chain problems). 
The one aspect not discussed, and also may apply to my patient, is nerve overload with chronic symptoms. This basically means that there was a mechanical injury, that even with complete heeling, can leave you with nerve hypersensitivity, which now months later is the reason that you do not feel any better. This nerve hypersensivity can also need nerve treatments over mechanical ones. 
So, as I try to sort this all out for my patient, the body will continue giving us clues which can help if we listen. Rich 

https://www.irunfar.com/2017/08/six-signs-that-your-running-injury-is-nerve-pain.html/amp

Monday, May 25, 2020

Nerve Pain helped by Neuro One Topical

Neuro One is a topical that you can order through Amazon and other places. It has L-Arginine and Vitamin B-12. It is one of the medications, along with neural flossing, warm bathes or 5 min ice, non painful massage, metatarsal support, and foot mobilization, that I use routinely for foot nerve pain of any sort. This can include Morton's Neuromas, peripheral neuropathy, sciatica, etc. I advised this particular patient to reduce the Neuro One to once daily to see if we get the same great results. 

Hi Dr. Blake,

I hope that you and your family are keeping well! We are muddling along without too many problems.

You suggested that I check in by email right around now.

The only question that I have right now is whether you want me to change my NeuroOne routine.

I have been using it for about 14 weeks, twice a day, on my left foot.

The neuroma “pain” is diminished by about 50% on both feet since I starting using the NeuroOne in February. Now on both feet it’s in the 1-2 range, and the predominant sensation when I walk is something like having the ball of your foot brushed by a vegetable brush.

Also, I have stopped icing the balls of my feet at night. Now I just ice the boney ridges on the tops for 10 minutes in the evening, which is more relaxing than anything else.

I haven’t gotten up the courage to try any shoes other than my Chaco sandals. Sheltering in place (with daily walks between 90 and 120 minutes) doesn’t require any footwear more stylish then Chaco’s.

So, there you have it: the NeuroOne question, plus I’d be happy to hear any other suggestions or advice.

Thanks, and take care!

Saturday, October 26, 2019

Sesamoid Pain that is Possibly Nerve Pain

     I had a wonderful chat today with a young lady from the East Coast. She has been treated for sesamoiditis for a long while, with many opinions, and recently a very smart PT said that it may be her nerves. The sesamoiditis is on both sides, and produced by going from orthotics to no orthotics over night. There has been no swelling, MRIs are negative except some swelling in the tissue around the sesamoiditis. She wore a pair of wedges that put more weight on the sesamoids but actually felt better than flats. She has an intolerance to shoes. She has a documented L4/L5 stenosis at 49 years old with minimal back issues, and disabling foot issues. She had a negative Nerve Conduction Test.
     All these findings point to nerve pain as a problem and I told her to seek a peripheral nerve doctor that understands the concept of Double Crush. I told her Nerve Conduction Tests were document nerve damage but not nerve hypersensitivity. She may need an epidural or something that is invasive, but she can start with topical nerve creams like Neuro Eze or Neuro One, neural flossing, warm soaks or contrasts, B complex supplements, TENS units, loose shoes (sorry for winter coming), and no prolonged stretches and learning how not to irritate the sciatic nerve. PTs can teach that.
     One of the golden rules I have learned about nerves is that all of the treatments to help can irritate when you first learn them. I have shown each of the above, and most of the time the patients feel great and that they help, and then another patient will say it irritated them immensely. I apologize, and try to modify with less intensity in general. If you treat pain, and what you commonly do irritates a patient, it probably documents you are dealing with nerve pain. 

Friday, September 21, 2018

Nerve Pain: Possibly Treating the Wrong Area

Hi Dr. Blake,


I too experienced severe pain/side effects after my first alcohol injection. It has now been 7 weeks after my last injection (7 in total) and I'm STILL in pain - as a result, from the shots. I didn't have this type of pain, or in this location prior. Here is a summary of my story leading up until this point:
  • Stubbed/fractured/broke/ right pinky toe Nov 2016 (was pain-free prior)
  • Went to podiatrist May 2017 who suggested tape and increase vitamin D dosage due to deficiency
  • Toe seemed to make progress into Nov 2017 but then healing plateaued and eventually worsened
  • The orthopedic surgeon said they couldn't help since X-rays/MRI showed no damage(Normal results - Morton's Neuroma was NOT shown)
  • Podiatrist suggested 9 laser treatments on the bottom/side of the pinky toe (not the neuroma since this wasn't diagnosed at the time). All 9 were performed by 2 physical therapists and no long-term relief was evident.
  • Podiatrist performed an ultrasound and diagnosed me with Morton's Neuroma. Found interesting since the pain I was experience was not where the 2 neuromas were located. I did not have the typical symptoms listed for MN at that time and the diagnosis didn't match MRI...but he convinced me this was causing my issue.
    • Podiatrist suggested 7 ultrasound guided alcohol injections on my right foot. (30% in both neuromas per session).
    • The 1st shot had horrible side effects: increased pain, numbness, tingling. Caused common symptoms of Morton's Neuroma, which I hadn't experienced prior.
    • 2nd shot provided relief to some of those symptoms.
    • Started noticed an improvement in injection 4/5. Feeling optimistic!
    • The pain started to come back slightly after injection 6
    • Injection 7 was now 7 weeks ago. The pain came back both in my pinky and neuroma. There was visible external bruising after this injection which has subsided but I'm still in pain.
  • Dr. Blake's comment: The initial reaction is unfortunate, but probably one in 5-6 patients, and always resolves. The series should stop at five to rest the tissue. Not sure why you kept going. Actually, from your explanation, many neuromas never hurt ever, so why wake up a sleeping dog? 
  • I'm now in more pain today than I was prior to treatment! (although less so specifically in my pinky toe...and the pain comes and goes more frequently than prior)
    • Prior to injections, I did not have any typical Morton's Neuroma symptoms (no burning, tingling, etc.) But now I do, in addition to my chronic toe pain.
    • After injection 7, my right foot now physically looks/feels swollen underneath my toes. I'm not sure if this is the neuroma, pools of alcohol from the shot, or hematoma. 
    • Dr. Blake's comment: I hope you are in a removable boot to rest the tissue for the next month. Sometimes 5 minutes of ice frequently is best, and sometimes several warm water soaks of 30 minutes each twice daily is very smoothly. The MRI taken should tell you if the swelling is anything to worry about, but swelling from pain is normal with this type of problem. It is telling you to quit irritating me!! 
      • My podiatrist didn't have an answer for me and said this has never happened before. He Rx Lyrica to reduce the pain but I didn't feel good on it and the pain relief was minimal
    • I got a new MRI. And my podiatrist says it looks like one neuroma shrink over 50% and the other is marginal compared to the other...But again, I'm not in more pain since starting the injections.
    • I've had pain every day of my life for almost 2 years. I thought these alcohol injections were going to be the answer but now things are worse.
    • Dr. Blake's comment: Definitely get the MRI report to read. You can send me the report because you need to know if there is anything else to be concerned about. Probably not. This pain should cool down over the next month if you do not keep irritating. Do you know the alcohol percentage used? I just do not think from what you say you are treating the right thing. I am not saying to switch either yet. Please wait the next month, go in a boot. Try to topically cool it down with ice or soaks. 
I've attached an image of my current pain/discomfort. The skin is still sensitive in that area when touched.




My podiatrist has presented some alternative "plan B" options (laser treatments on the neuroma or stem cell, amnion-chorion membrane injection) but these are not covered by insurance, costly, and I'm afraid it would only provide short-term relief if any. Based on my MN support groups - most people said this was a waste.

Please share any thoughts and suggestions you have regarding my case.

Thank you for your time.

Dr. Blake's comment: I need to know if you are off-weighting the area with Hapad or Dr. Jills products. My blog has many examples. You should be massaging three times a day Neuro-Eze cream (online product) and doing neural flossing until the new symptoms better. Get in the boot and relax this. Rich


The patient responded:





Hi Dr. Blake,

Thank you for your quick response! 

Some follow up information/questions:
  • I was told they were 30% alcohol sclerosing injections with the intent to shrink the neuromas. 
    • I was given 2 injections in my right foot for each of the 7 sessions. I have attached images of the injection areas. As you will see, this was not near my original source of pain (pinky toe).

  • Dr. Blake's comment: This is a lot of irritation. The highest percentage that I have gone is 20%, which is what I have found podiatrists in the UK are using. Plus, giving it in 2 places at once is more chance of irritation. This may be fine, but no more shots, especially since it was done for MRI findings, and possibly not for the reason you needed to be treated. 
  • I kept going with the injections because my doctor suggested all 7 for my case. I felt maybe 80% relief after the 5th injection so it made sense to continue on my doc's advice thinking it would get me to 100% relief instead of reversing and causing more/new pain.
  • Dr. Blake's comment: With any injection series, and probably for most treatment protocols, you try to get the patient to 80% better, with the remaining 20% allowed to father time. 
  • "Many neuromas never hurt ever, so why wake up a sleeping dog?" - Only because my doctor believed the MN diagnosis was the cause of my chronic pinky pain.
  • Dr. Blake's comment: If you give a 5-hour lasting local anesthetic into the neuromas first, and for that 5 hours the pain in the pinky toe disappeared, then addressing the neuromas in some way would make sense. 
    • If my chronic wasn't wasn't from MN - what else could have been causing it? Perhaps RSD/CRPS?
    • Dr. Blake's comment: When you stub your toe, and then have chronic pain and negative xrays and MRIs, you may have some version of CRPS although the injury could just be missed in the films due to its superficial location. Besides the laser treatments by the PTs, you really have not had a thoughtful approach to where you hurt. Once the pain goes away from all these shots, you may have to investigate various options like joint mobilization, ultrasound as a treatment, acupuncture, off weight-bearing padding. Just sending me a photo of what types of padding minimize your symptoms would be a good start. 
    • Is it possible for these injections to cause more long-term harm than good? (My fear is that my chronic pinky toe pain has turned into chronic foot pain)
    • Dr. Blake's comment: In December, as long as you have had no more shots, a new MRI will be done if some of the injection pain lingers. 
  • No one has recommended a removable boot until this post. Happy to give that a try. Is there a specific brand/model you would recommend? Dr. Blake's comment: yes, anklizer by Bird and Cronin is a good one or the short style (just going above your ankle) by Aircast.
    • Is this something my doc could Rx and be covered by insurance, or am I better off just buying on my own online? Dr. Blake's comment: Your doctor's office will know. They are around $60-70 self-pay.
    • In the meantime, I've spent most of my time at home in slippers with custom Rx orthotics. When I'm out, I'm in wide sneakers with the Rx orthotics as well
  • I've tried both hot Epsom salt baths and ice without luck... In the past the bath would make the sensation further "radiate" and the medical ice pack would cause a "burning" sensation. But if you suggest one over the other I can try to do that more consistently.
  • Dr. Blake's comment: We have to assume you may have an internal burn. The general rule is no ice on a burn, so some warm compresses are probably best. Try a warm slightly damp facecloth on the area when you sit and wrap saran wrap around for 30 minutes at a time. The saran wrap allows the heat and circulation to get deeper. Whatever you do, you should at least immediately feel better. 
  • I have a copy of the full digital MRI on CD. Happy to send this to you to review if you suggest a certain file type. (can your computer read a .iso CD image file or anything else you recommend? I can also try taking some screenshots from it)
  • Dr. Blake's comment: I am not sure which ones. Can you have a disc burned and sent to me at Dr. Rich Blake, 900 Hyde Street, San Francisco, Ca, 94109? Any screenshots as photo images are fine also. 
  • I do not have a copy of the report. I will request this next week. When I asked my doctor about the results, this is what he told me:
    • "The MRI shows only mild residual neuroma remnants following the injections. No other major boney or soft tissue pathology. Dr. Blake's comment: Hooray!!!
    • [The size of the neuroma is not indicated on the MRI Report] When I looked at it myself, it looks to be 6 MM or less which is small and over 50% of the one neuroma and marginal on the other as compared to the original ultrasound I did on April 2nd which showed:
      • Findings body of the report. We noted a 14.0 mm ovoid hypoechoic ill-defined nodular density seen on sagittal view in the right 2nd interspace. And also a 6.9 mm ovoid hypoechoic ill-defined nodular density is seen on sagittal view in the right 3rd interspace. No evidence of bursitis, capsulitis, or plantar plate tear in the right 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th MTPJ's."
  • I was Rx a couple of different topical anti-inflammatory cream. I was told to use these simultaneously but they failed to provide relief. Dr. Blake's comment: Makes sense, your pain is nerve pain, get one for nerve pain and also try Neuro-Eze. 
    • I have not tried or heard of "Hapad or Dr. Jills products" . Which would you recommend for my case? Dr. Blake's comment: Both companies sell online. You could ask the podiatrist which one offloads the area best. I would try a small longitudinal medial arch Hapad support as a metatarsal support. But we have these right in the office. 
    • I haven't heard of neural flossing. I found an older blog of yours with a video. Is this what you recommend I do in my situation, or is there another type of neural flossing suggested for MN? Yes!!
  • What are your thoughts on Dr. Blake's comment: I think acupuncture right now makes sense as long they do not stick the sore area. You have a nerve problem, and acupuncture addresses that. 
    • MLS Laser treatment?
    • Amnion chorion membrane injection?
    • Acupuncture?
    • Nerve decompression surgery?
I rather not seek any other type of treatment if you think I simply need more time to heal...but my doc said my symptoms should have resolved 4-6 after the last injection and it's now been 7. Maybe the boot would have helped but I've been fairly inactive during this time.
Dr. Blake's comment: You can not use time, because everyone is different. That being said, get in a boot, start treating the nerve pain without increasing pain, be nice to yourself, see how you are in 3 weeks. I want a report. 

Thanks again,

Another note from the patient:

Hi Dr. Blake,

Thanks for your last 2 e-mail. I hope you had a great time in Spain!

Here's an update on my situation. Questions in bold.
  • Feeling extremely optimistic after using the Neuropathy Pain Relief Cream + Aircast Boot for 3 days in a row. Substantially felt better. I was convinced this was going to solve my pain!
  • Tried 4 acupuncture sessions...Wasn't sure if it was helping at all but wasn't hurting. Maybe helped with the improvement.
  • Days later, the pain came back, and on strong.
    • I had some extra pressure on my feet, carrying my 6-month-old in her car-seat for maybe 15 minutes...Nothing too intense but could something this simple make my pain that much worse? Dr. Blake's comment: Leaning forward with weight can be hard on the nerves coming off your back. 
  • Over the next few days, the pain got worse, got a bit better, and then worse again. Dr. Blake's comment: Probably should be 3 days in the boot, 3 days out, alternating if the boot consistently helps. 
  • I went to an orthopedic surgeon to get another opinion... the trip was a waste.
    • He didn't have any answers/explanations for me.
    • Suggested a CT scan to see if it gives us more info. Do you think this is necessary? - Anything else it may show? Dr. Blake's comment: CT Scan shows only bone, so not sure if he was just grasping at straws. Maybe he saw something in the xray. 
    • He inserted a Metatarsal Bar below the pain area to take pressure off...Pain has been worse since.Dr. Blake's comment: I rarely ever use those, since they are difficult to place, and may put to much pressure no the metatarsals.
  • I've had pain during my last 2 acupuncture sessions (This past Tues and Thurs)...Treatment didn't seem to resolve. How many sessions should I try in total before I stop? Dr. Blake's comment: Typically, 3 sessions of acupuncture and you know if it is going to help. 
  • I've continued to use the pain relief cream + the boot with no luck. I just tried Neuro-Eze for the first time today and did not receive any relief from it.
  • I've tried Neural Flossing along with watching your video every time. This usually (but not always) provides at least some short-term relief.
  • But I'm less focused on temporarily relieving pain and more focused on figuring out what I need to do to prevent the pain from coming back at all!
    • You provided a number of great suggestions in your last e-mail. What type of doctor should I see to explore these options with? Dr. Blake's comment: Typically a podiatrist should be the primary with referrals to pain consultants if nerves are to be treated. We need to have nerve treatment to calm the nerves down. Probably need some oral med and better topicals. 
      • I no longer trust my podiatrist since it appears he mistreated my condition. (5th toe pain still present and new pain caused from injections)
      • The orthopedic surgeon I saw didn't have any insight
      • Perhaps a rheumatologist or pain medicine specialist? Or just start looking for a new podiatrist? (You've been the most helpful so far - I wish I was in your area!)
    • I've tried Lyrica - It provided very minimal relief with many negative side effects...Not worth it.
    • I have a home TENS unit - do you suggest I try that? If so, where should I place the pad(s)?Dr. Blake's comment: You need a PT to help you with application and intensity. 
  • A couple other questions:
    • Based on my most recent MRI, are we sure the doc didn't "wake the sleeping dogs (neuromas)" from the injections? Dr. Blake's comment: For the reader's sake, this patient sent me the MRI and no sign of damage was seen!! But alcohol is a destructive agent, so we are probably dealing with a deep burn, but it should get better, or surgery to explore the area, remove the nerve (permanent anesthesia), and hope for the best. I am not recommending at this time, but it is an option. 
    • Can this resolve itself on its own with time? If so, when should I expect to see progress?
      • It's almost 2 years since the original 5th metatarsal fracture
      • It's been about 10 weeks since my final set of alcohol sclerosing injections Dr. Blake's comment: The reason we need treatment is left on its own it can take months until you start to feel better. I hope November feels overall better than October. You can speed up feeling good, but we need some consistent treatment that helps. Stay with the boot, by alternating, stay with the original meds (until you have others to try). Many times injections into the nerve with just local anesthesia can relax the nerve. You can put it one inch closer to the ankle, not at the same spot. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Rich
Thank you again for your help

Tuesday, May 1, 2018

Nerve Pain flared with Removable Boot

Dr. Blake,
I have been following your blog for years and have a question about neuromas. Mine was under control for 5 years (with custom orthotics, met pad, wide shoes) until I was in a boot for PTT on the other foot and it flared. Since then I've not been able to get ahead of the irritation/inflammation cycle. Twice I've irritated it to a new level, most recently trying acupuncture. Before the acupuncture, I could wear Birkenstocks in the house without symptoms but now even standing for a short time will bring on symptoms and only elevating my foot keeps the symptoms away. Shoes, tight socks, sleeping (I now wear a Birkenstock at night), driving especially, all irritate it. I have had two cortisone shots which didn't help (I was told at least one was not long-acting).  

My question is at this point even if I was to do nothing that irritates it ( which I guess would mean keeping it up all the time), would the scar tissue around the nerve decrease in size? Also, does Neuro Eze work to shrink the nerve or just help with symptoms? At this point, it seems like my only options are some kind of intervention, cortisone, alcohol shots or surgery. What would you do in my position? Thank you so much

Dr. Blake's Response:
     Thanks for the email. It sounds like you irritated the nerve, more than caused inflammation (since the shots should have helped an inflammatory problem). It could have been the unevenness to your spine of the boot that caused a sciatic nerve irritation affecting the foot. I would approach it this way for the next month. 

  1. Neuro-Eze topical three times a day as a non-painful massage
  2. Neural Flossing three times a day.
  3. Experiment on removing the met pad which can irritate an irritated nerve. 
  4. Try contrast baths with 4 minutes warm and 1 minute cold alternating for 20 minutes twice daily
  5. Avoid the bend at the toes with the boot on the neuroma side with orthotics, or a mountain bike shoe with a flat bottom, or a Hoka One One shoe (they have a couple of versions that are wider in the front). 
  6. Avoid barefoot (try Oofos sandals or Halfinger sandals for home)
  7. Avoid shots and acupuncture on the sore foot. Acupuncture on the opposite hand or earlobe can be considered. 
  8. Look into a 2 month trial of Quell. 
  9. Try a scooter to off weight at home and museums if the other side can take the weight. 
  10. Since it appears to be nerve pain, consider seeing a pain specialist for oral intervention (at least an evening dose of Lyrica, etc.).
  11. Create an environment for May of 3-4 level pain, and find out what you can and can not do. 
  12. In June, we will try to increase your activity, and lower the pain to 2-3 consistently. 
  13. You make want someone to really evaluate double crush syndrome, and fully examine your spine (low back to neck). The trigger of the foot pain can be anywhere up the chain, including hamstrings, piriformis, cervical neck discs, etc.)
Hope this helps get you thinking. Rich

Sunday, December 18, 2016

Foundation for Peripheral Neuropathy

This look like a good source of information on peripheral nerves coming off the spinal cord. I look forward to explore over the next few weeks. 
Golden Rule of Foot: Look at a Nerve Wrong and it will hurt for 9 months!


https://www.foundationforpn.org/2016/11/09/foundation-for-peripheral-neuropathy-celebrates-10th-anniversary/

Saturday, August 20, 2016

Incapacitating Nerve Pain: Looking for the source is crucial

Hello Dr Richard,

Thanks for being kind to reply...

I have a chronic foot and leg pain and is now currently getting even worse...especially after some Ayurvedic medicinal, yoga and physiotherapy treatments...

It all started with a foot pain when i walk for some time or even stand up for too long...but it would stop instantly after sitting down or lying down...

now it is getting worse to the point when as soon as i get up and sitting down doesnt help much...standing at one place is worse than walking...there is constant burning, pins and needle pain especially on the bottom of the feet....now i als get swelling and knee pain especially after a long day of site/field work...
Dr Blake's comment: Pain like this tends to be nerve pain unless proven otherwise. Nerve pain produces true suffering. Please go on the calmare website site and see if there is a local practitioner in Sydney. You can start with a pain management specialist. Also, consider buying a simple machine called Quell. Go to www.quellrelief.com to see what it is all about. Of course, these are medication free techniques. You may need gabapentin, elavil, etc. 
Unfortunately, it looks like Calmare is not yet in Australia. 
http://calmarett.com/facilities/providers.html

now swelling has stopped since not at work for last 4 weeks...but will be back to work from next week...

i have no back pain at all, but one Dr found a pressing of spinal cord in my lower back...which can be cured by exercise as per his recommendation...
Dr Blake's comment: Yes, this could be coming from the back, and this is why you need a new pain person who can investigate the source. 

also i cant even carry small things like grocery, laptop as it makes the pain worse and begins immediately...
Dr Blake's comment: This is a great clue that it could becoming off your back or neck. 

i will try to send all my reports in next email... im currently taking some Ayurvedic medicines which is mainly for arthitis related pain and repairing digestive systems...

also one dr suggested that the mri/ct scan may not pick this up as i'm in lying down position when there is no pain...is there any other way to find the exact cause of this?
Dr Blake's comment: Typically nerve conduction studies with EMG can find the source. Yes, unfortunately, MRIs of the spine only show advanced problems. Slight bulging discs may not be seen when you take an MRI in a spine neutral position. 

also i had a stress fracture just prio to all this started ..only in the right foot..it has completely healed as per reports...

Dr Richard, it has been 5-6 years now, and i'm in extreme pain...this has ruined my career and family life ...i dont want to give up so early...im only 34 with a wife and 2 year old boy..one more on his way...

i beg you to help me and cure my condition...i live in Sydney...
Dr Blake's comment: I am so sorry for your problem. You need to see a minimal of 2 pain specialists to see what is out there for you. You may have to travel to get the 2 weeks of calmare treatments, but that is probably premature. You need to find someone who will look at possible sources of this problem being above the sore areas. I hope this helps. Rich

Thanks!

Sunday, June 26, 2016

Chronic Foot Pain: A New Device with Great Promise

I just returned from our state podiatry meeting in Anaheim, and I am excited about a new device I learned about for chronic pain. It is called Quell, and I refer you to look at their website below. I am always skeptical about these but it was highly recommended by a nerve specialist Dr Peter Bergman. If you have chronic foot pain, this may be a simple, but effective device for you. So, as I learn about this and start ordering it for my patients (I believe it is a $250 2 month experiment for patients to pay), I wanted to post about it. If you have any information, please feel free to comment on this post. Thank you so very much. Dr Rich Blake






https://www.quellrelief.com/

PS They make it clear it is not just for nerve pain, but other sources of pain like arthritis, etc. 

Morton's Neuromas: Which Shots to Get?


  Morton's Neuromas are inflammed swollen nerves in the front of your foot , usually found between the third and fourth metatarsals (as seen in the above MRI), and sometimes between the second and third metatarsals, and sometimes between both. You count the metatarsals from the big toe #1 to the pinky (baby) toe #5. The symptoms from these inflammed nerves are nerve symptoms: burning, tingling, numbness, electrical, radiating, buzzing, sharp, and/or feeling like a rolled up sock. They are abnormal sensations, also called dyskinesias (just to show you how smart I am). But, this pain may be not be from the foot at all. Nerve pain in the foot can originate from nerve irritation at the ankle, knee, hip, or low back. Nerve pain in the foot can also be systemic (from the body) called peripheral neuropathy. So, it can be very challenging to diagnosis the source of pain in many patients, and thus treat it properly. Any workup for nerve symptoms in the foot should look for possible causes other than the foot.
Photo shows typical problem between 3rd and 4th metatarsals.

     One of the mainstay treatments of Morton's Neuromas involves injections. There are three common shots, and other combinations of medications used in injection form. First of all, there is the diagnostic injection of local anesthesia (like novacaine) to see if injecting the nerve gives complete pain relief. It sometimes proves that the nerve the doctor thought was the problem really is not the problem. These local anesthetic injections should be given with medications that last around 5 hours (commonly Sensorcaine, Marcaine, or Bupivacaine) so that the patient can be 100% sure of the relief attained--100%, 80%, 50%, 30%, or 0%. I am a big believer in this method of identifying the right nerve, if it is a nerve at all, since you only inject the nerve and not the tendons, ligaments, joints, etc. Sometimes, even though you are giving an injection which should last 5 hours, since you are blocking the pain cycle, the relief can be much, much longer. Many doctors will give these injections once or twice a week until the severe pain cycle is completely broken down and the symptoms greatly minimized.

     The second most common type of injection involves cortisone. No one knows for sure how much should be given, since that varies from person to person and body part to body part, but I have lived by the rule of no more than 5 shots per year. I can count on one hand how many patients have needed more than 3 per year, so 4 or 5 shots is unusual, but sometimes necessary. Each one of my cortisone shots is 10mg of long acting steriod. Long acting means that some of the medication is still working for 9 months. As the crystal dissolves, there is slowly less cortisone working on a daily basis. Cortisone can allow healing to occur since it removes swelling. Swelling is our enemy. Swelling cuts off the normal circulation to an area inhibiting healing. So it it more than just a bandaid or temporary fix--it can fix the problem!! I find no use for short acting cortisone. It only lasts for 3 days or so. So what? If you think the patient needs cortisone, use the good stuff. I once had a patient come in for surgical consultation after she failed to improve with 10 cortisone injections over a 6 month period. Surgery had been recommended, and I was a simple appointment to verify that this was appropriate. When we found out what the doctor had used in each injection, I was dumbfounded. He was using long acting cortisone, but in a homeopathic dose of 0.1mg per shot. If you do the math, you would realize that it would take him 100 shots to equal the dosage of one of my shots. Oh my!!??!!

     Why am I discussing dose? Because you should know if you are getting a foot or ankle shot, if it is long or short-acting cortisone, and how much? The 5 dose recommendation per year is based on actually getting 50 mg of long acting cortisone in one area. It does not mean that you can not get the same amount in another area of your foot. One smart patient, with one smart doctor, helped me understand that a local cortisone shot can affect the entire body since small amounts do get absorbed into the body. I call this Dorothy's Rule, after one of my patients, that a patient should not get more than 1 shot of long acting cortisone per month for their entire body. I like this rule since cortisone does affect us in many ways. This applies to patients whom are getting cortisone shots for their foot, and at the same time for their knee, shoulder, etc.
    
     When giving cortisone shots the doctor should stay away from the skin, buring the injection as deep as possible, and avoid tendons if possible. Cortisone near a tendon can weaken it, and cause tearing, as it can thin the skin. The skin usually gradually gets healthy, but can take 9 months or longer, and can not tolerate further shots at this time. Cortisone is normally mixed with the long acting local anesthetics to get 5 hours of post shot pain relief. If the patient does not feel any relief after the shot, the shot missed the painful spot. After cortisone, patients are told no running or jumping for 2 weeks (another reason athletes hate cortisone shots). The patients are told to check pain relief in the first 5 hours, at a week, and at the 2 week followup. If the 10mg is not enough (with the goal 80% reduction in pain), a second shot is given and the two weeks starts over again. During these shots, I do not have the patient go to physical therapy, but they can cross train with non jumping and running activities. With many activities like cycling, they have to assess if it has a negative impact on them. During these shots, the patients are told to ice the area 3 times daily (see separate post on icing). At each two week interval, if the patient seems to be at the 80% level (familiarize yourself with a pain chart and read the separate post on the Magical 80% Rule), activity is gradually returned. Hopefully, the doctor and patient have learned what to avoid, what to wear in the shoes, how to tape, etc, to minimize the re-irritatation during the return to activity program. Any cortisone shot after the first shot in the 9 month window of time is considered a booster shot.





    The third most common type of shot is to desensitize the nerve with alcohol. We use to teach that the alcohol would kill the nerve, but it has been shown only 40% alcohol will do that. Most podiatrists do not feel over 20% alcohol is safe for the foot, so many podiatrists never risk injury by staying at 10% max. You definitely do not want to damage other structures in your attempt to desensitize the nerve. How long does this desensitization last, not sure, but typically for years. The jury is still out.  I mix long acting local anesthetic with 100% concentrated denatured alcohol to achieve a 6% alcohol solution. Then 1 ml of this solution is injected at the most proximal aspect of the nerve in a bolus (not spread out as taught earlier). You attempt to hit the thinnest part of the nerve before its thickens to become the neuroma. Topical cold spray is used to anesthetize the skin, so 100% of the medicine is deposited along the nerve. These injections are given in series of 5, each one 7 to 10 days apart. 50% of patients get excellent results, 20% good (some improvement) and 30% none. After each series, 1 month is recommended to rest the soft tissue. If the patient noted no response from the first series, a second series is not normally recommended. Of the patients alcohol helps 20% or so need only 1 series of 5 injections to feel 80% better, 70% need 2 series, and 10% need 3 series. I know this is alot of numbers, but I love numbers, and this is my blog!! As with the photo at the start of this article, the bigger the neuroma on MRI, the less likely the alcohol shots will work. But, the art of all this is deciding who has a chance. If it was my foot, I would go through the alcohol series to achieve the 80%, and if 80% were not achieved, I would get sporadic cortisone shots, get great orthotic devices that take pressure off the area, ice my foot 2 to 3 times daily, and do the other things on the Morton's Neuroma link below. You can also give the cortisone shots while doing the alcohol shots if there is an unexpected flareup.I sure hope this helps.

http://www.drblakeshealingsole.com/2010/08/mortons-neuroma-treatment-options.html

Monday, May 23, 2016

Lower Extremity Nerve Symptoms: Looking for more than one Source


This was a comment to my You Tube video which I see often dealing with neurological problems in the lower extremities. There can be 2 or 3 sources of this neural tension that in themselves are minor, but together cause major disabilities. The treatment stems from finding all the possible triggers like poor posture sitting, overpronation of feet, poor core strength with low back issues, piriformis syndrome, etc, etc. I have had patients where the 2nd source of nerve irritation was the neck area, and the foot symptoms would not resolve unless the neck was stabilized somehow.

Hi Doctor Blake, I have a buzzy sensation in the ball of my foot when I walk. It began 10 months ago when I was running long distance. I had a variety of symptoms and was unsure where the pain was originating. It resulted in me developing a strong limp because I was in so much pain. I have had electric shock type pains travelling up my left leg, numbness in the ball of my left foot, pins and needles in my calf, tightness in my hamstring and glute. I have also had varying degrees of back discomfort but not enough for the doctor to think it is sciatica. I can't pinpoint a painful point in my foot and foot specialists haven't been able to either, although it does feel buzzy after it has been manipulated. I have had a steroid/anti inflammatory injection that didn't do much for me. The best thing has been some orthotics that raise my arch taking the pressure of the ball of my foot. I get the buzzy feeling by tapping the tarsal tunnel by my ankle as you demonstrated. What does this mean? Thanks,

Dr Blake's comment:





Thank you for your comment on the above video. You definitely are having neural tension and the source can be from 2 or 3 sources (and they all can be mild in nature, but have an additive effect). Please see a physiatrist or neurologist to look for back issues, piriformis, glut, ham, calf, tarsal tunnel or intermetatarsal neuritis signs. Someone should be able to figure out the syndrome, but it can be a lengthy process, and I am sorry. See my other video on the back relationship to foot symptoms. Rich

Thursday, March 31, 2016

Calmare Pain Therapy: Email Correspondance

Dear Dr. Rich,

Yes, I finally got through to Dr. Gutierrez and signed up for the treatment, starting Monday, March 21.  My symptoms were perhaps not typical; most people start with a lot of pain and it gradually reduces.  My neuropathy pains have always been intermittent and worse at night;  a major problem has been sensitivity of the soles of my feet.  So for the first treatment my pain level was zero  before treatment, but they did it anyway.  However, that same day I noticed a marked improvement in the sensitivity of the soles.  The second day I wore a pair of thin soled shoes and before the treatment walked around on rough ground including a gravel path, and it felt OK.  This was something I absolutely could not have done before.   Again zero pain at the start of the treatment, but I am sure the treatment was beneficial.  I don't know if Dr.Gutierrez though I was a hypocondriac, since I was supposed to have more pain.  I ended up having only 3 treatments;  I questioned  whether getting all 10 proposed treatments would be beneficial.  The shooting pains I had for the past year or more had been less lately and have not recurred.  Dr. Gutierrez agreed for me to stop after the 3rd session (and not have to pay for all 10) with the understanding that if pain returned I could "start over."

I am happy about the outcome and grateful to you for telling me about it.  The other symptom of neuropathy, which they call "compression" or feeling like the feet are overstuffed sausages, with difficulty  flexing the toes, is apparently not helped by this treatment.  And then there's the arthritis which is still active.  However,  any progress is welcome and I am now able to wear all my shoes, some of which I could not get my feet into a few months ago, and walk much more comfortably.

So, many thanks, and I hope Calmare gets full approval.

Best regards,

Wednesday, December 3, 2014

Nerve Pain and Gait Changes with Drop Foot: Email Advice

Hello Dr. Blake,

I recently discovered your blog and certainly appreciate the expertise you share.  I see that you are aiming for the Camino de Santiago.  I would like to travel part of the camino but am struggling with my current right foot condition.  Having grown up in Madrid, Spain, I believe that you will enjoy the journey.  I am 65 years old and recently retired!  I am 5'4 and weight 120 lbs.  Other than the spine and leg issues, in good health.

In July 2013, I was diagnosed with L5 radiculopathy with right foot drop (significant).  This was very painful and the pain was mainly below the knee.  MRI did not indicate the L5 radiculopathy, only an EMG. (Dr Blake: 1 problem with low back MRIs is that they are done in spine neutral, most stable position), and not when the spine is stressed so problems with bulging discs can be missed).   After 60 PT sessions, including traction and short term use of an off the shelf AFO (which caused medial pain and per the physiatrist plantar fasciitis), and the passage of time, I have recovered much of the foot control without any surgery.  What remains has caused havoc in my life due to medial foot pain.  I have also had an orthotic with a cork base which was adjusted many times by an Orthotics Center but which I believe contributed to subsequent problems due to a tendency to "roll" the foot due to the weak everters.  I have used KT (kinesiotape) in many ways to support the foot.  More recently an MRI showed a split longitudinal tear of the Peroneal Brevis and tendinosis of the Peroneal Longus (Dr Blake: these tendons can look like this in normal ankles, so difficult to take too serious unless surrounded by major inflammation).  This occurred after initiating additional PT.  The PT indicates that I have a very weak Posterior Tibialis and is also making me a new orthotic that is to support the believed weaknesses better than the prior.  I am awaiting the new one shortly.

I recently had a gait analysis  at a Motion Analysis Center in Michigan, and the report indicates:
*** Dr Blake's notes in red
Mild R forefoot inversion in stance and swing (perhaps anterior tibial spasm)
Mildly decreased R ankle dorsiflexion in early swing (some foot drop)
Minimally decreased ankle dorsiflexion in early midstance bilaterally (antalgic stiff gait)
Mild forefoot adduction in stance bilaterally with R slightly worse than L (perhaps anterior tibial spasm)
Mildly decreased ankle plantarflexion moment in stance bilaterally (stiff not propulsive gait)
Moderately decreased ankle and hip power generation in pre-swing bilaterally
Pelvic rotation pattern reversed versus normal with protraction rather than retraction in midstance.

A fine wire EMG indicated that the TP was active 15-30% of the time when it would normally be active and only during the late mid to terminal stance (so would say 50% loss of Post Tib function)

You would not think that something that is mild/minimal would cause so much pain in the medial foot.  Certainly the lateral foot PL and PB issue causes some discomfort but that is not the main cause of pain.

Recently was referred to another physician that uses ultrasound of the tendons and he said that arthritis of the first metatarsal may be the primary issue and gave me a steroid injection which for a couple of hours helped a bit but then the joint pain was significant.  The orthopedic surgeon that referred me to his colleague for the ultrasound wondered if the problem may be the Anterior tibialis insertion in the Medial Cuneiform.  His colleague did not. (I would have to say Anterior Tibial spasm compensating for weak PT tendon and weak extensors--the ones that causes the drop foot---would be my first choice)

Given the time that has elapsed what might be fixable?  I am willing to have a custom AFO too.  Icing does not usually help.  Ibuprofen minimally helps.  I cannot take Neurontin due to side effects. 

So....the physicians are perplexed about what to do to help me.  I am awaiting the new orthotics which may or may not help.  I am interested in your thoughts/questions to help sort this out more. 

Greatfully,

Dr Blake's comment: I am assuming that the MRI did not show a tear in the Anterior Tibial Tendon or Arthritis near the Medial Cuneiform. Have them check if the Anterior Tibial is in spasm. Local anesthetic blocks into the muscle can break the spasm, and biotox is also being used. If it is truly the anterior tibial spasm that is dorsiflexing the ankle and holding up the medial arch, then an AFO should be used until you gradually regain full strength of the ankle, and normal heel to toe motion. Let me know if you have other questions. 


Sunday, October 12, 2014

Battling Nerve Pain: Accupuncture, Lymphatic Drainage, and Somatic Experiencing/Heller Work

This is an email from a patient with left foot tarsal tunnel syndrome or some variant. I have worked with her for many years with ups and downs. Here is her latest email. She has been so limited for the last 9-10 years!!

Dear Rich,

I hope this email finds you well on this gorgeous October Sunday.

I want to write you an update as we haven't been in touch for some months. IT'S GREAT NEWS!!! I truly am progressing with my healing! Oh, I am thrilled to be out of constant pain. 

Here are some bullet points for you:
*Since June, I've been doing weekly sessions with the orthopedic acupuncturist who I told you about. Going from 2x/month to 1x/week has made a significant, enormous, an unbelievable positive impact on my pain level. Whereas my pain was about an 8-9 in May, it's at approx. a 3-4 these days. AND, as a result of seeing him, I've increased my mobility and haven't had a debilitating flare-up for about 5 months.

*The Somatic Experiencing/Heller work sessions that I've been receiving 2x/month for the past 10 months has made a substantial impact on working through compensatory issues related to my foot injury and also is slowly making inroads into areas of my pelvis that hold habitual tension, which seems linked to the nerve pain (possibly due to my gait). This work focuses on the layers of tissue and supports the ANS to come back on line in healing ways.

*Since August, I've been receiving 2 hr Ayurveda lymphatic drainage sessions 1x/month. I'll be going for my third session in about a weeks time. After plugging into the benefits of acupuncture and hands-on SE I had this intuitive and intellectual hunch that I needed to clear stagnant lymph in ways that I hadn't yet. Of course the color of my foot indicated stagnation and I was clear that I needed to tend to it in more significant ways in order to progress. I asked around for a referral and now see this extremely eccentric woman. This, Rich, is the third leg of the stool! I am now doing salt scrubs daily and focus on clearing lymph throughout my body. Previously, I had thought that some of my old injuries, ie. metal pipe to the temporal lobe on my right side behind my ear and a hip injury, manifested as either bone out of place or tissue adhesion. Actually, it was stagnant lymph! My neck, at the occipital ridge on the right side, is freeing up and the hard grain-like/stone-like crystals of stagnated lymph are softening as a result of daily work and I truly feel invigorated! The color of my foot is changing and looks like a "normal foot" besides when my body gets really hot or when in the shower (same thing, actually). If the nerve corresponded to the color of my foot, then my pain level would be about a 0-1.

*My mobility continues to improve, however extremely slowly. I still can't walk on pavement for more than 4 blocks, standing remains challenging and activating, and I have to limit exercise to 30-35 minutes unless I sit and rest for a half hour to hour between. About 4-5 months ago I shifted my workouts from only doing 850-1000 stairs 2x/week as it kicked in plantar fasciatis on the right foot. I wasn't able to dance on the floor or even do sit-ups because the nerve in the inside area of the left ankle (tibial nerve?) simply couldn't handle any movement sideways, at all. I tried to do the "nerve flossing" once or twice and it exacerbated the nerve to about an 8 out of 10. I don't think that my nerve is ready for that.

*I found myself frustrated, yet not for long! I decided to try to stand up, in order to stabilize the nerve from moving laterally, and to dance while taking the weight off of my foot, of course because the nerve can't sustain pressure and weight. So, I now dance in my bathroom!!!! I tell you, Rich, I truly should do a YouTube video for people with similar issues. I break a sweat, isolate stomach muscles by doing stand-ups (sit-ups), and strengthen leg and arm muscles by using the sink, vanity, door jam, door knobs... so many options. I am so thrilled, so happy to move, to sweat, to build muscle back, to lose weight, and to feel like an athlete again! It's wild how much muscle I've lost over the course of the past 2 years as a result of not moving much at all... Luckily, I have core strength from being an athlete and a tomboy since I was a young girl. Muscle is returning and..... oh, to dance!!!! And, there are times when I stand and dance without taking the weight off of my foot and I'm doing great. It's perhaps for a 1-2 minutes max, yet that's so fabulous isn't it??!!

* I tape my foot every time I exercise or when I walk for more than 10-15 minutes. I use the thin tape and the wide tape... in the original way you showed me. The thin piece is applied along the sides of my foot first and then the wide tape is pulled up at the arch and down to the ridge of the heel. It helps alot by supporting my weight. 

*I'll be seeing a neurologist at UCSF tomorrow afternoon (10/13). This will be the first time that I've consulted with a muscular/skeletal focused neurologist. I want to cover my bases and to see if he has any insights that I have yet to consider.  

*In a couple of months, I would like to consider slowly reducing my Gabapentin from 1200 mg/day to 900 mg/day - 100 mg at a time, to see if I'm able to maintain my current progress. Do you have any thoughts about this? I know that nerve grows about 1/16inch/day so perhaps I should wait... or I should continue to work through the impingement to the nerve and then wait for it to recover.... Thoughts?

I know that there's more to share, however this is all that's coming to me at this time.

How are you??? 

I'm so thrilled to write about my progress. You've been in my thoughts a great deal. My hope is that this will serve some of your clients.... Rich, the lymphatic self-massage is so important.

I do hope all is well with you.

With gratitude and care,